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Posted by2 months ago

Well it seems that both JD supporters and AH supporters are accusing the other of using DARVO tactics. Specifically, AH supporters are claiming that DARVO is the reason why JD won the trial in the US. So, I found a Twitter thread that I found useful in explaining DARVO:

https://twitter.com/NBedera/status/1529964775991410691

The thing is, while the author and even Jennifer Freyd, who coined the term, appears to be of the belief that it was JD who committed DARVO, I don't really understand how they came to that conclusion after watching the trial because I was definitely under the impression that most of the evidence presented at the trial actually favoured JD. Maybe I was hoodwinked by the DARVO tactics myself, I don't know.

What's troubling to me is that DV experts and organisations such as NCADV appear to still be convinced that Amber Heard was a victim, while I came away from the trial convinced that JD was the victim due to the evidence and so were the Lawtubers, such as Emily D Baker who gave live commentary that I liked.

The thing is even when I look at that Twitter thread explaining DARVO, the examples she gives of what to look for in DARVO tactics seem to apply Amber Heard, at least in my understanding of the evidence and not Johnny Depp, even though she and others believe that Amber Heard was the victim. Let's take a look:

"As experts, we figure it out by considering the context and goals of violence that took place. Here are some examples of patterns we look for:"

Okay, I agree that looking at context matters, so let's see what these patterns are.

"Perpetrators mostly use violence to control their victims.

Victims mostly use violence to defend themselves from an ongoing or impending attack."

Right, so did the audio recordings show that Amber Heard was the one who used violence to defend herself from either violence or threats of violence from Johnny Depp? I know that AH supporters probably believe that because they always respond that they show her reactive abuse. However, in the ones that I heard, they seem to have her admitting to "starting physical fights" and him trying to get away from her, like locking himself in the bathroom. I know that she says in the Twitter thread that it can't really be determined by a single violent event, however, it wasn't a single event as Amber Heard herself complains to him in an audio recording that "they can't work it out" when he runs to the bathroom "every-time". This suggests to me that the pattern through the relationship was him trying to get away from her violence, not her reacting to his violence.

"Perpetrators often exaggerate their own injuries and minimize the harm they have caused a partner.

Victims often minimize their injuries and try to conceal their own suffering."

From the evidence, I guess that in some ways you could go either way on this one depending on who you believe. Like you could argue that Johnny was minimising the suffering he inflicted on Amber by denying that he ever physically assaulted her if you believe he did. However, do you really think that he over exaggerated his own injuries? For example he had actual hospital records and an x-ray confirming that his finger was severed, so I don't think that was an over-exaggeration. I don't however think that Amber's injuries were all corroborated by the evidence.

Like that one photo she sent to her mom showing the bruise on her arm. I would have accepted that had she just said that Johnny had grabbed her, explaining the bruise. However, she also said on the stand that on the night of the incident, Johnny held her down and repeatedly pummelled her in the face. Yet her face is also visible in that picture with no bruising. Am I wrong in thinking that seems over exaggerated?

"After a relationship has ended, perpetrators often try to gain access to their victim and continue to seek control over their lives.

Victims are usually eager to maintain space from their former partner. They prioritize their own safety and autonomy."

In this case, did Johnny do that after they separated? If she wanted to maintain space after her TRO, then why did she want to meet with him after the TRO was filed? Also, to those that would respond that Johnny's defamation suit was an example of him continuing to try and control her life, remember that he eventually filed for defamation only after she wrote the op-ed, which was 2 years later.

"Most of these questions boil down to a single theme:

Is this person trying to control the other's life? Or are they simply trying to regain control of theirs?"

That's a good question. Did Johnny file for defamation to clear his name or did he just want go after Amber or silence her?

Thoughts?

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