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The companies that sell palm oil to major firms like Johnson & Johnson, Kellogg's and Mondelēz are depriving indigenous communities of millions of dollars of income.

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The palm oil industry is absolutely decimating the orangutan population.

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Every year it is estimated that between 1,000 to 5,000 orangutans are killed in palm oil concessions.

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Yeah, but the stock price is up so what’s the issue?

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And destroying the rain forests

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They don't care because they can't sell the orangutans

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When I was a student the Ugandan government displaced 5000 humans for 10 gorillas.

That always stood out to me as being representative of neoliberalism and post ideological ecology. Why is it that the orangutans or gorillas are more important than living people?

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Incorrect. I am decimating the orangutan population.

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Indonesia has a pretty stark corruption and rule of law problem, I’m not surprised by this at all.

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The same companies have been doing this for 100 years nuthin new to them and nuthin will be done about it

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It also has a history of mistreatment of Indigenous people that it colonises. Eg the way it oppresses West Papuans is attrocious.

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The CEOs and other top execs of these companies make huge bonuses while steering the decision making processes that lead to these terrible situations.

It is high time that they are at least equally punished, both financially and criminally, when these acts come to light. Culpable deniability is not a valid argument here as they gladly accepted the bonuses without knowing how they were earned, if they indeed did not know.

The only way there is a chance of reducing these acts from occurring is if the punishment for leading during the crime is severe enough.

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These are Indonesian and Malaysian companies operating under local law. In reality they are above and beyond the law, they are untouchable.

Every year palm oil plantations have a burning season, starts around now, old growth is cut back and burnt. This causes a lot of air pollution, generally very bad in Kuala Lumpur. Notable that plantation burning was scaled back when smog from Indonesia blew through Singapore for weeks on end.

And that's the crux of it. All these companies have their wealth offshore in Singapore, go for them there where there actually is some rule of law.

This is a very simplistic argument.

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Companies and major firms globally, are depriving all citizens and the very workers, of billions upon trillions of value in income, taxation, aid etc.

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Yeah but poor people & marginalised communities always go first. Privileged groups & rich people don't face that much trouble compared to them.

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A tale as old as time. That’s just what companies do.


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