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Posted byu/[deleted]2 months ago

UK defence spending to double to £100bn by 2030, says minister

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· 2 mo. ago
Tired of paying for the mess of others

And where is the money for this meant to come from?

DOA

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Inflation wil take care of quite a bit of that increase.

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I see you haven’t been updated about the magic money tree

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With the additional money we get from taxing the rich mor… oh shit

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· 2 mo. ago · edited 2 mo. ago

And where is the money for this meant to come from?

For now, borrowing. This is not unheard of - Japan, with debt of about 250% of GDP, is increasing defence spending that way.

After the election, it would depend who was in power. If Liz Truss remains Prime Minister until 2030 it suggests her fiscal plan has somehow worked. She's not turning the polls around unless things get markedly better.

If Starmer is PM after the election, he may have to find the money from somewhere, whether it's (less) borrowing or higher taxes. He might abandon the 3% target, but I think he'd be stupid to make cuts.

You may ask why. I think increasingly government is going to accept that the position of the last 30 years that the British military can "make do" with substandard kit - because they've always managed to bodge something together at the last minute - is unsustainable.

Russia is bleeding away resources in Ukraine, but it's only lost a handful of ships and no submarines. Its navy remains a problem, which is bad for the UK because that's the primary thing we have to worry about. Even if Putin is forced out of power, he may be replaced by another - potentially worse - strongman with the same vast energy reserves and vast income it generates.

And then there's China. Putting aside the issue of what assistance we could provide against Chinese aggression, in order to deal with the CCP the US needs Europe to have a strong defence. The UK has to be part of that, and right now we're not helping as much as we should.

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Journalists and opposition politicians tediously asking how things will be paid for happens when things like schools and hospitals are at issue. None of them are seriously going to argue against joining the arms race against China as that's beyond debate.

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· 2 mo. ago
Brexit must be destroyed

The pound will be worth so little that this will be a spending cut in real terms.

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· 2 mo. ago
LibDem

And due to Inflation, this will allow the army to buy one second hand Land-Rover

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And send the HMS Queen Elizabeth on tours up and down the Mersey and Thames estuaries every few years between repairs.

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One bit of kit that the Russians abandoned was an extremely powerful jammer that could supposedly interfere with stuff in LEO. I'd be interested to see how the MoD reacts to this, and the prospect of fighting armies with EW capability in general.

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Didn't Wallace recently cut the size of the army, and retire nearly all of our signals intelligence aircraft?

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Regardless of the politics this paints a sad picture of the future geopolitical climate.

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Since the biggest threats are all due to climate change there’s no end to the irony of that statement

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I work in industry supporting one of the major platforms, and the biggest issue the military has suffered from (especially recently) is equipment obsolescence and the bun fight for money between different platforms to keep their equipment current.

On my platform for example, we have mission equipment that became unsupported 2 years ago and we're the only country using the platform that DOESN'T have a plan to upgrade to the next standard, or even put in place interim plans to at least keep it current.

Yet whenever we discuss this with government and relay experiences from front line forces who are dealing with potential safety issues, gaps in situational awareness and lagging behind other countries in their capability because of the obsolescence gaps, all they say is that there's no money.

So this money isn't necessarily going to be used to increase military capabilities or increase the size of military (at least at first), because for years we'll just be catching up to bring our kit up to the standard it should have been maintained to in the first place.

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· 2 mo. ago
lo fi boriswave beats to relax/get brexit done to

Another good place to invest while we wait for new kit is in infrastructure. New accommodation, replace old aircraft hangars etc.

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Cake day · 2 mo. ago · edited 2 mo. ago

Also, we'll have 16 brand new megacities, a space program and an underwater castle complete with cyborg robots to fight off evil Corbynites to keep Truss safe. Of course, this will all be paid for by bringing tax down to 0.5% and getting truly explosive growth in the economy.

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It's ok that's been downgraded to 12 battlestars.

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· 2 mo. ago
Tory Senjutsu

UK defence spending has been constantly cut over the decades. It should be far higher.

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