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Posted by6 months ago
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Linguistic Map of the Kingdom of France - What if England had won the Hundred Years' War?

r/imaginarymaps - Linguistic Map of the Kingdom of France - What if England had won the Hundred Years' War?
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They have become the very thing they swore to destroy

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They got Yuan'd

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Kinda makes sense as their monarchs felt more french then english and even prefered everything from France

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Op · 6 mo. ago

Very simplistic explanation - The rulers and upper class of England had spoken mostly French prior to the Hundred Years’ War, with the English identity only really emerging following the English loss. In this alternate timeline, England does manage to defeat France in the Hundred Years’ War, and basically assumes the role of France, with the capital being moved to Paris, and French stays the language of the government, eventually becoming prominent in the cities of southern England, and spreading quickly with government support. As the industrial age steps closer, the monarchs of France will take measures to suppress regional languages to maintain control of both the north and the south.

I know the lore sucks but I wanted an excuse to make a French Britain

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This makes a ton of sense

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· 6 mo. ago

It must have been one of the earlier wars, because iirc one of the English kings started to write in the English language in government

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Really like the idea of a scenario where the Gaelic language endure and are more widely spoken. Adds a cool dimension to the languages and peoples of that region.

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THANK YOU. I think you're the first person I've seen who understands that the Hundred Years War was more of a dynastic/civil war than a war between rival states. Had the Plantagenet won it makes perfect sense to me that the rival national identities wouldn't have developed the same way.

I don't think the lore sucks, it actually makes a lot of sense to me.

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If England won I think Burgundy might still be a thing tbh

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If England had won early enough, maybe after the Black Prince's victories, then a French-speaking England is plausible.

What I find really unconvincing is that Scotland is still independent. Without French allies, the combined might of an Anglo-French kingdom would have swallowed them up sooner rather than later.

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Lore is simple but good. Give yourself credit.

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· 6 mo. ago
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If you want a French-speaking England, can I suggest using my favorite POD, and have John Lackland live and William Marshal die, allowing Louis the Lion to oust the Plantagenets from England?

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· 6 mo. ago

I saw a similar TL but with slightly less successful French spread in England, with an English revolution in the 1820s that starts in Liverpool and York

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It seems then that this anglo-frankish culture is causing less of a cultural and linguistic genocide in Ireland than the British Crown and government managed to do in real life? What's your reasoning behind this?

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Kinda weird that, even tho they won the war, they lost the language game. Although it makes sense, since english already had a lot of french in it

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In OTL, the Scots language arrived in the North of Ireland/Ulster only in the 17th century and later. This was achieved by a strong Great Britain after the unifying of the crowns of Scotland and England under James VI/I. The plantation of Ulster by Scottish migrants was primarily driven by religious concerns (Protestants were seen as loyal to the Crown). What happened in this timeline that allowed for Scottish migration into Ulste? I'm curious as to how a similar distribution of the Scots language, especially considering a more dominant, Catholic, France would be far closer to a Gaelic, Catholic, Ireland, would have evolved. Also, inevitably, Ireland would have been stronger without the Flight of the Earls having occurred.

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Op · 6 mo. ago

to be honest, I did not have knowledge of how the Scots language arrived in Ireland and I’m currently not in the mood to make up an explanation to hide the gap in research sadly, but thanks for informing me!

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