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Hagia Sophia is still symbolic of Christianity and Islam's shared history

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I went there in 2006 or 2007 after learning about it in an art history course. It was pretty surreal and mesmerizing, even though it was undergoing a renovation at the time and there was modern scaffolding covering half of it on the inside

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Its kind of a shame that they stopped access to the upper galleries of the Hagia Sofia ever since they turned it into a mosque. A plus is that you can visit at pretty much any time you want, for free. But the negative is that you can't go upstairs and see the beautiful mosaics of Jesus. You can only catch a few glimpses at certain angles when you're standing in the main prayer area

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Op · 2 mo. ago

Ah I didn't know that. The article does mention it becoming free which I love because I'm a cheap Dutch bastard. Yet what's the use if you cannot get sucked into those 1400 year old windows into the past?

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Does that mean you can’t see the Norse graffiti anymore, either? That was one of my favorite parts.

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If you are ever in Istanbul, go see it.

It's not a pretty church/mosque/museum, like later churches, but it's so amazingly dense. It's built right up the limit of possibilities for the time, and even over, as the dome collapsed a couple times, and the walls are massive. It feels like what the mines of Moria looked like in the movies, dug out from a mountain rather than erected.

It's a breathtaking building.

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It's not a pretty church/mosque/museum, like later churches, but it's so amazingly dense

On the contrary, I think it's the prettiest church. Few other churches are so decked out in beautiful marble revetments, gold mosaic and huge proportions.

It shows its age, which is typical when it has existed for 1,500 years in an earthquake-prone city, but the fact that it still stands mostly intact is testament to its great construction, considerring so much else has collapsed.

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Istanbul is amazing to visit on itself. Such a historically rich city with many great sights.

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It's kinda fascinating to me that what is or isn't part of 'Greek' cultural identity is still relevant to this day. People have literally been arguing about what is or isn't Greek for well over 2000 years...

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The rulers of Byzantium didn't see themselves as Greek, and Byzans was Rome B to them. The orthodox church is the link to the Greek, really, not the place.

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And it allows all missionaries and apostles to spread their religion one extra time, which is a huge benefit of you're going for that juicy religious victory.

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Assuming that you play just one more turn

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Plus you get sweet bonuses if you build it in Civilization V. +3 faith, a free great profit appears, and you get a free temple in the city it was built in.

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Not bad. Do you know if you can change one's own faith in the game? Can't seem to find much on that mechanic while playing. I'm currently playing as Rome and really starting to increase my war aims.

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Op · 2 mo. ago

You should read the article:

There is much shared symbolism between Christianity and Islam in the meaning of the dome as the physical representation of heaven and the afterlife, but the flavour of Hagia Sophia as a building was always different to the sacred buildings of Rome, like the pagan Pantheon and Michelangelo’s St Peter’s.

Its design was rooted in Eastern traditions, where Persian mausoleums had a circular dome resting on a square drum. The transition between the circle and the square resulted in an octagon, which came to represent, both in Christianity and Islam, the resurrection and the journey between earth and heaven, which is why so many tombs are octagonal in both religions.

As well as shared concepts, Christians and Muslims in the eastern Mediterranean enjoyed a common heritage of building materials, techniques and tools passed on from the Graeco-Roman, Persian and even earlier Etruscan worlds.

They also shared workers, builders and craftsmen, who moved around according to demand, following the next or the most profitable commission from a wealthy patron, no matter what his religion. Byzantine mosaicists, for example, were frequently employed to decorate Islamic mosques, such as the Dome of the Rock, the Umayyad Mosque of Damascus, and the Cordoba Mezquita.

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bruh but Hagia Sophia points to a shared history of war in this case, i.e., conquest of Constantinopole.

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