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2 months ago

Can KM lawyers be held liable (or disbarred) for violating the law?

Assuming information in the AP article is true (which I feel certain is the case), and assuming the laws in most states require persons who know of child abuse to report it to the proper authorities, are KM lawyers breaking the law by intervening and instructing local leaders not to go to the police or to child welfare agencies?

Perhaps there's a way KM attorneys could be held liable or even be disbarred for dodging the law. In addition, by instructing local leaders to keep information within the church, I'd argue they're contributing to the continued abuse of the victims.

Certainly TSCC as a corporation is dodgy and dishonest, but TSCC has put KM in place as its protector. Maybe the protectors need to be held accountable.

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Generally speaking, for this case, no. Lawyers, like all people, are stupid and interpret the law to the best of their understanding. It's pretty hard to disbar lawyers for things like this. Usually, they're disbarred for more egregious things like stealing from clients.

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Op · 2 mo. ago
I'll see your "revelation" and raise you a resignation.

You're correct that disbarment is the most severe punishment, but there are other sanctions licensing agencies can impose, including public notification of violations.

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· 2 mo. ago · edited 2 mo. ago

Lawyers aren't allows to criticize their clients, even if that criticism is true!

D Hoaxman

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More egregious?! Really?!

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Op · 2 mo. ago
I'll see your "revelation" and raise you a resignation.

Aren't they supposed to advise them when they're breaking a law? And, if they're actually advising local leaders not to report things, aren't they instructing people to break the law in some instances?

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· 2 mo. ago · edited 2 mo. ago

Don’t assume that people are required by law to report. The mandatory reporters must be acting in capacity as such and there are many restrictions and MANY states where it is not required.

Hence their weasel words “as required”. It sounds good but means the converse is also true. Where NOT required legally, no report will be made.

They know the law and will hide behind it each and every time.

They know money and pressure buy silence and will use that to their full advantage as well.

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Op · 2 mo. ago
I'll see your "revelation" and raise you a resignation.

I agree with you on how the weasel-words they use to interpret things. I don't know how lawyer disciplines work in all states, but I do know that aside from yanking a license, there are other sanctions in many instances. I personally feel it would be worth complaining to the licensing agencies in some cases.

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Op · 2 mo. ago
I'll see your "revelation" and raise you a resignation.

I'd be interested how much knowledge attorneys with KM have about departments that fall outside of their own area.

Any idea how many attorneys KM has? I wonder how many the Methodists have, or Presbyterians, etc. etc?

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Here is an article from 2018, where a prosecutor Started a complaint about KM lawyers advising bishops in Arizona without being licensed in Arizona. It appears to have gone nowhere.

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/local/2018/05/31/arizona-case-shows-why-mormon-bishops-are-not-reporting-sex-abuse-to-police-every-time-that-has-a-prosecutor-complaining-about-the-churchs-lawyers/

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I know Joe Osmond. He is a solid and decent dude. That is all I know. I can’t comment on the legal aspects. More nuanced than I want to accept. Fuck the church. So many fucked up issues that impact individuals and families. Every state should have mandatory reporting and robust services to protect victims of SA.

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Op · 2 mo. ago
I'll see your "revelation" and raise you a resignation.

That one would be different than advising people to break the law. The KM attorneys were licensed, but in another state, so they weren't actually practicing "without a license."

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This particular issue was raised a couple of years ago for this particular case.

I don’t remember the outcome but google does.

It’s fun to watch new people come to the sub and make the same discoveries over and over and over and …

Welcome to the sub.

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