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Women are gross and icky, right? So, the best thing for sober, well muscled, all American boys to do is to avoid them entirely, and press their latex clad bodies against one another, and-- wait, what in all of the fucks?

Meet Chuck Dixon

Dixon is pretty solidly in the B-squad of comic book writers. He could never hope to hold a candle to industry giants like Grant Morrison, Stan Lee, or Alan Moore, but his runs on the Punisher and the Batfamily are generally well pretty popular, and shaped much of how we view them today. He's the guy who created Bane, who is now one of Batman's most iconic villains, as well as Stephanie Brown, the girl who was Robin for like, two seconds then died. He's know for putting out a lot of comics, to the point where he pretty much ran the entire Batfamily for a while.

However, as you may have guessed from him being a straight white conservative man writing comics in the 90s, or the fact that he's on this sub, he had some... opinions. After leaving DC in 2008, Dixon wrote a Wall Street Journal piece titled "How Liberalism Became Kryptonite For Superman" (because if there's anything that an illegal immigrant investigative journalist who spent the Depression beating up rich people hates, it's liberal politics). Dixon claimed his conservative views lost him his job at DC in the early 2000s. Which is wild, since on his blog at the time (which he since has deleted) Dixon specifically countered the rumor it was do to politics. Not to mention, Dixon was far from the only writer at the time who was fired to make way for the new generation.

Dixon also called out other artists for involving "liberal politics" in their work, which was deliciously ironic, given how he crammed his comics with his own political and social views. Those ranged from a variety of opinions on "proper social standards" (which we'll explore throughout this writeup), as well as randomly stopping the story to take potshots at Jimmy Carter and the Clintons. That later one would end up being continued, given that he wrote a comic called Clinton Cash. He has described his political affiliation as "far to the right of Genghis Khan", so take that as you will.

He also had a history of having a lot of plots deal with the heroic white Americans going over to a crime infested, impoverished Asian/African/Latin American nation in order to stop the disgusting criminals there. Who were the criminals? Everyone (besides the occasional child who gets murdered). The racism wasn't subtle. Also, there was a weird thing about a slavery ring targeting only white people, because they were the real victims of slavery? It was weird. Also, there was that time Black Canary accidentally helped take part in an ethnic cleansing, but we don't talk about that. But, as much as I wish I could say that was somehow a lone instance, he was writing for DC comics in the 80s and 90s, so none of this really stood out.

Also, Dixon reportedly beat the shit out of a classmate in the 60s over an argument about the Joker. It's not really relevant to the rest of the writeup, but it's so deliciously ironic for a man who has spent the past decade whining about sensitivity, so I wanted to include it.

Sex! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!

One of Dixon's more... notable aspects was a heavy opposition to sex.

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Today, we're going to dive into a forgotten corner of TV and comedy history. In 2002, Chevy Chase was roasted for the second time in the Friar's Club. Despite being largely forgotten, this event would have massive ripple effects. If you've ever watched a roast in the past two decades, especially on Comedy Central, chances are you've seen those ripples. Not to mention, the roast was enough to make Chase break down in tears, and reconsider his entire life. But I'm getting ahead of myself. We'll get to the roast in good time. But to understand what happened there, it's important to understand why all of it happened (and on the plus side, there's a whole lot of tasty side drama in the comedy world). First, we have to answer the question "Who is Chevy Chase"?

I'm Chevy Chase, who the hell are you?

Born in 1947, Chevy Chase is a world renowned American comedian. Well, maybe not world renowned, but at least famous in America. Maybe not famous per se, but at least still decently well known. You've seen him in something. Probably.

Chase started his career like many comedians, running around and trying everything he could. Writing satirical articles, founding a comedy ensemble, working for a satirical radio show, etc. Finally, his work paid off. He became a writer for a show called "Not Ready For Prime Time Players", better known by its later title: Saturday Night Live.

Because a sudden rise to fame has never gone to anyone's head.

Shortly before the show first aired, Chase was added to the cast, and joined rehearsals. This became his big break, putting him squarely in the spotlight. He introduced every show but two, and was the anchor for Weekend Update, one of the show's longest running bits. His catchphrase "I'm Chevy Chase, and you're not" became extremely famous. He even claimed that his Weekend Update style was the direct inspiration for later comedy news programs like the Daily Show. During the show's run, Chase won two Emmy awards and a Golden Globe for his work on the show, and many have argued since that he "defined the franchise". Chase was a hit at the time, and was shortlisted by many as one of the funniest rising comedians in America. Someone even suggested that Chase could be the only person to replace the beloved Johnny Carson (although Carson disliked Chase, and replied that "He couldn't ad-lib a fart after a baked bean dinner").

Live from New York, it's literally anyone but Chevy Chase!

Chevy left SNL a few episodes into the second season, the reason for which is still unclear. Chase 's official story claims that his girlfriend didn't want to move out to New York, so he decided to move out to LA and marry her. That story is somewhat backed up by the fact that he'd negotiated out of most of season 2 in his contract with NBC, surprising producer Lorne Michaels (who hadn't been informed). However, there's still suspicion surrounding the episodes he was in. Supposedly, he injured his groin doing a pratfall in the first episode, forcing him to be hospitalized for the next two episodes. However, as eagle eyed fans noticed, the "injured" Chase was very clearly seen at the end of the first episode dancing around without any issue. Many have theorized that the episodes were a test run, to see if the show could work without Chevy, in anticipation of him leaving. Years later, an anonymous SNL cast member mentioned that he only used his engagement as an excuse to pin it on his (now ex) wife. In reality, he'd left the show purely out of a desire to make more money.

But why would the show want to see one of it's most popular actors gone? Well, as it would later come out, Chase was a massive pain to work with. Egotistical, cruel, and petty, he burned a lot of bridges with his fellow cast members, as well as producer Lorne Michaels. When he returned to host in Season 3, Chase reported the atmosphere felt "poisoned" against him, and he certainly didn't help himself by ordering people around, and trying to reclaim his spot on Weekend Update, all while using a frankly terrifying amount of drugs. Bill Murray (Chase's replacement) was antagonistic towards him, telling Chase frankly that no one there liked him, leading to a shouting match. Murray then told Chase "Go fuck your wife, she needs it" (Chase was having public marriage issues at the time). All of this culminated into Chase hunting Murray down minutes before the show, and challenging him to a fight. If you look closely at Chase's monologue, you can see some marks on his face from where Murray hit him. Chase would go on to host eight more times, racking up more and more problems every time. He'd harass female writers, make cruel jokes (like telling an openly gay cast member he should do a sketch about dying from AIDs) and generally just be a jackass to everyone involved. This came to a head in 1997, when he slapped Cheri Oteri hard in the back of the head, causing a furious Will Ferrell to bring the issue to Lorne Michaels, who banned Chase from the show. Chase was the 12th person to be banned from SNL, and the only former cast member to ever be banned from hosting. Although he's made a few guest appearances on SNL since, they're kept few and far between, and the hosting ban has been enforced.

You win some, you lose thirty or forty others.

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With Splatoon 3’s first official Splatfest starting in earnest this weekend, I thought it would be a good time to take a look at a time from Splatoon’s history where a Splatfest caused some controversy.

But first, some background:

What is Splatoon?

Splatoon is a third-person multiplayer shooter developed by Nintendo and released for the Wii U in 2015. It received 2 sequels in 2017 and 2022, both released on the Nintendo Switch. We’ll mainly be looking at 2017’s Splatoon 2 in this post.

Splatoon takes place in a world where rising sea levels have wiped out humanity and allowed sea creatures to become the world’s dominant form of life. Several different sea creatures appear throughout the series, but the two playable races are Inklings and Octolings, based on Squids and Octopi respectively. It’s important to note that Octolings weren’t playable until Octo Expansion released for Splatoon 2 in 2018. Prior to this, they only appeared as NPC enemies in the game’s single-player campaign, where they were members of the Octarian army.

Within the series’ lore, Inklings and Octarians fought against each other over control of the surface in The Great Turf War about 100 years before the events of Splatoon 1. The Octarians lost, and were forced to retreat to underground domes. These domes are starting to run out of energy, prompting the Octarians to steal the main source of power from Inkling society: The Zapfish thus re-igniting the conflict between the two species.

What is a Splatfest?

Splatfests are periodic events held in Splatoon. Players are asked a question and split into teams based on their answer. The teams are then pitted against each other in the game’s main multiplayer mode: Turf War. Typically, players are asked to choose their favorite out of two options. For example: “Cats vs Dogs” “Burgers vs Pizza” or “Mayo vs Ketchup”

Ultimately, a player’s choice of team is pretty much inconsequential in the long run, though within the game’s lore, the winner of a Splatfest is considered legally “better” than the loser. This is confirmed by Pearl who cites Article 3 Section 2 of Splatfest Law after the Chicken vs Egg Splatfest (Chicken won, despite scientific consensus that the egg came first)

All in all, Splatfests are fun periodic events where you can play on special maps and earn rewards, so what could possibly go wrong

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Ah, the Ultimate universe. The coward's reboot that ended up becoming a masterpiece, which in turn became one of the least popular comic book events of all time (which is saying something). This story has it all: incest (which is totally fine nowadays, haven't you heard?), cannibalism, genocide (omnicide?), a massive god complex, and the mother of all stupid retcons. A debacle that would make Season 8 of Game of Thrones look like a well planned masterpiece. More succinctly, it's Marvel comics punching themselves in the dick for several months, then wondering why they're in agony.

(Quick side note: the name for these comics has changed around a few times, from Ultimate Marvel to Ultimate Comics to Ultimate Universe. I'm just using them interchangeably).

Fair warning: This is one of the biggest and most ambitious writeups I've tried to do, summing up several interconnected comics as well as fan reaction and behind the scenes details, so it runs a bit long. Also, CW for brief mentions of domestic abuse and rape.

In case you don't want to read the whole thing, I've added a TL;DR at the end of each section.

What is the Ultimate Universe

In 2000, Marvel comics was struggling. They'd declared bankruptcy, and had been forced to sell off the movie rights to their biggest heroes: Spider-man, the X-Men, and the Fantastic Four (that decision would definitely never come back to bite them in the ass). The bankruptcy was (in part) caused by the longest running issue in comics: continuity. It's hard to get new readers when they have to catch up on 60+ years of material.

So, what's the solution? Bring in a lawyer who'd never worked in the comic book industry before. Which somehow, in defiance of all logic worked. Bill Jemas came up with the obvious solution no one else could: Just make the characters simple. Nobody is reading Captain America to learn about how his mom was part of a Hydra Sunday school (real thing), they're looking for a guy in red, white, and blue who kicks asses and definitely fucks. This was Marvel's hail mary attempt. One of the writers for Ultimate Marvel later admitted that "when I got hired, I literally thought I was going to be writing one of the last — if not the last — Marvel comics".

Holy shit, that actually worked.

There's a lot more history to go into (which may be the source for another HobbyDrama post later), but the long and short of it is that Ultimate Marvel was a success on almost every imaginable level. It was well reviewed by critics, broke sales records, and was almost universally beloved by fans, bringing in legions of new Marvel readers. A large part of this was the writing, with some of Marvel's best writing teams in decades. This writing also saw a shift in the classic tone, with some of the writers behind the Ultimates (basically just the Avengers) explaining that they wrote it like they'd write an Avengers movie, rather than a traditional comic storyline. Not only did that make it more popular and easy to read, it had long lasting effects. If you've ever watched an MCU movie, odds are that a good chunk of the content -- from costumes, to characters, to plotlines -- was taken from an Ultimate comic.

Fun side note: this is actually how Samuel L Jackson became Nick Fury. Fury had been a white guy for decades, but in Ultimate comics, was rewritten to be a Samuel L Jackson clone (hoping to capitalize on the success of Jackson's rising status as a badass). The problem? Sam Jackson was a huge comics nerd, immediately recognized himself, and had his very big legal team contact Marvel. However, rather than a lawsuit, Jackson was happy to allow it to continue -- provided he be guaranteed the right to play Fury in any movie. Marvel agreed (because they couldn't survive another lawsuit, and who really would make a superhero movie anyways?).

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It’s August 5, 2022, and C2E2, a large comic book and entertainment convention in Chicago, is about to open. One of the most sought-after collectibles that weekend will be Black Flag’s Ultimate Fallout #4 In God We Intrust acetate. The run is limited to 750 copies.

Minutes into the convention, the book is sold out. As Black Flag celebrates, a story begins to spread: Influencers skipped the line and purchased large numbers of copies right in front of everyone. One person reports seeing an influencer walk away with a hundred books.

Now, I wouldn’t bother with a write-up if this was just a story about scalpers or scummy influencers. That’s par for the course for conventions and hobbies centered on collecting. This just kept spiraling until it implicated almost everyone involved. This story has it all: copyright infringement, a major controversy in authenticating and grading collectibles, whispers of insider trading and pay-to-play schemes, policy changes, lollipops, and a $25,000 eBay bid for the book in question amid a new speculator boom in the hobby.

To make sense of it, we need to rewind.

The 1990s Speculator Bubble

Once, comics were mass entertainment but the industry has been shrinking since the late 1960 and comics became a niche hobby. In the mid-to-late 80s, the high-value sale of some old comics garnered mainstream media attention, and speculators thinking they could buy some comics and get rich in a decade jumped in head-first.

Publishers were eager to cater to this new and growing segment of speculators and flooded the market with stunts, gimmicks, and variant covers to maximize sales.

People bought dozens of copies of certain books, believing X-Force #1 or Spawn #1, quintessential 90s comics, would gain value like the first appearance of Superman had. However, old books are valuable because they weren't collectors’ items, just disposable entertainment. Nobody carefully carried home dozens of copies, got them professionally graded (more on that in a minute), and then waited around to get rich the way speculators planned to. A book that sold a million copies in the 90s is essentially worthless today.


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Follow all site-wide rules and reddiquette
Do not insult or attack other users
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No Doxxing / Redact personal information
Drama must have concluded at least 14 days prior to post
Consequences must be detailed
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Subreddit Guidelines

/r/HobbyDrama is a place where people can post dramatic and controversial stories, events and situations within their specific circles, usually consisting of events others may not have heard of.

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What is a hobby? What is Hobby Drama?

For the purposes of our subreddit, a hobby community is "a group of people who are connected by their active participation in a particular activity during their free time for personal enjoyment".

Examples of hobbies include: cosplay, model rocketry, fanfiction, blogging, historical reenactment, gaming, fanart, participating in forums, gardening, cooking, playing sports, composing music, making memes, collecting, backpacking, knitting, reading, and many, many more.

Hobby Drama is an event which happened in a hobby that created meaningful controversy within the community involved. Hobby Drama-worthy events might have ousted someone from the community, shaped perception of the hobby, altered the rules the hobby uses, divided the community, created a new faction, caused significant outrage, etc. They are not blink-and-you'll-miss-it catfights with no consequences or internet influencers being rude to each other.

What is not a hobby? What is NOT Hobby Drama?

Most drama between professionals is not hobby drama, e.g. professional sports teams, YouTubers, streamers, actors, scientists, etc., unless the professionals are interacting with hobbyists/fans. Current events, news, real-world politics, following a social media account, and being internet famous do not qualify as hobbies. Mods reserve the right to make exceptions for particularly bizarre or niche write-ups.

Drama must have active involvement by hobbyists to qualify as hobby drama. It cannot be a contained event between professionals where hobbyists had no involvement or no impact on the perception of the occurrence. A TV show finale being bad isn't hobby drama; the fandom reaction leading to it being called 'the worst TV finale ever' might be.

What is a hobby drama post?

A high-quality, well thought-out post about a dramatic event in a hobby space. Readers overwhelmingly prefer posts which lay out the history, stakes, events, and consequences of the drama, and which include receipts like screenshots or chat logs. Posts should have minimal direct involvement by the poster and not be overwhelmingly biased, and any personal information of participants who are not public figures must be censored.

What is NOT a Hobby Drama post?

A short paragraph, one liner, a post directly asking for advice or a post that is fabricated or fictional. Please see the wiki for more information.

A Note on Hobby History

For posters who want to infodump about the history of their favorite hobby or a particularly interesting moment in it, we allow Hobby History posts. Hobby History posts do not need to be dramatic. Since they're meant to be historical, they can focus entirely on professionals in a space. They can explain the background events leading up to a dramatic event, or explain the minutiae of how a hobby works; recount a legend of the hobby that’s not quite drama, or just give context on how this hobbyist community works.

A note on Flair

If a post discusses subjects that might be shocking, unpleasant or distressing to readers, it must be flaired Heavy. The NSFW tag should also be used when appropriate. Otherwise, if a post is a Hobby History, it should use one of the blue History length flairs, and if not, one of the red length flairs. The maximum length of a post is 40 000 characters, so an Extra Long post might be more than 25 000 characters, a Long post might be over 15 000, and so on. You can see more information about flairs on the wiki.

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